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All-Time Detroit Pistons vs. All-Time Los Angeles Clippers

The battle between the All-Time Detroit Pistons vs. All-Time Los Angeles Clippers features a point guard matchup for the ages. The historical rankings of these players are highly dependent on the factors that are valued by the ranker. One is a statistical marvel who hasn’t had the team success that other stars of his stature have earned. The other is a two-time champion who doesn’t have the (advanced) statistical profile of other legends. Who’s better? Let’s take a deeper look at our key matchup.

All-Time Detroit Pistons vs. All-Time Los Angeles Clippers

Key Matchups

Zeke vs. CP3: The battle between Isiah Thomas and Chris Paul is a fascinating one. ESPN’s recent All-Time #NBARank had them as the fifth and sixth best point guards of all time, respectively. What distinguishes these two legends?

Stats

As previously mentioned, Chris Paul may be the greatest statistical point guard in NBA history. Thomas’s value was not captured by advanced statistics (Kevin Pelton explained this well in his insider piece about Zeke). In fact, here’s a comparison of their statistics (as of 03-25-16), along with their all-time rank in several key categories:

Chris Paul vs. Isiah Thomas

Their surface statistics are very similar, although Paul’s numbers came in a league where less points per game were scored, on average, than when Isiah played (at the midpoint of Thomas’s career, 1987-88, the Pistons averaged 109.2 PPG with a pace of 98.3, while at the midpoint of Paul’s career, 2010-11, the Hornets averaged 94.9 PPG with a pace 88.7. While that’s not entirely fair, since the Hornets were one of the slowest-paced teams in the league, there were fewer possessions per game, and subsequently less scoring, on average, in the NBA at that time). The true difference lies in their shooting, protection of the ball, and overall efficiency. Thomas had a career true shooting percentage of .516, compared to Paul’s career .578 mark. Thomas committed an estimated 16.8 turnovers per 100 possessions, compared to Paul’s 13.0 turnover percentage. Paul’s career PER ranks 6th in basketball (NBA and ABA) history, in between Wilt Chamberlain and Bob Pettit. Thomas’s career PER ranks 139th in basketball history, in between Antawn Jamison and Kyle Lowry. Paul is also third ever in win shares per 48 minutes, behind only Michael Jordan and David Robinson. Thomas doesn’t rank in the top 250 ever. While Paul still hasn’t entered his decline phase, he’ll still likely have an almost incomprehensible lead over Thomas in these measures by the time his career is finished.

Pressure Moments

Isiah is known as one of the greatest clutch players in NBA history, while Paul is infamous for never making a conference finals appearance (thus far) in his career. Paul still has a sizable advantage over Thomas in his playoff advanced statistics, though it is less pronounced than their difference in the regular season (Paul’s career advanced playoff numbers: .584 TS%, 25.2 PER, .200 WS/48; Thomas’s career advanced playoff numbers: .520 TS%, 19.8 PER, .143 WS/48). These two have both had several noteworthy playoff moments, both positive and negative.

Memorable playoff moments

Isiah had a flair for the dramatic like few others. One of his finest showings came in the deciding game of the first round of his first playoff appearance (1984), when he scored 16 points in the final 90 seconds to force the game into overtime (where Detroit wound up losing). His magnum opus came on the grandest stage of them all, in his first NBA Finals appearance in 1988. With Detroit on the verge of a series win, Thomas scored a Finals-record 25 third quarter points, despite spraining his ankle mid-way through the period. To this day, there hasn’t been a finer performance in NBA playoff history.

Paul had his signature playoff moment in Game 7 of the 2015 opening round series against the defending champion Spurs. Despite playing with a hamstring injury, he hit the go-ahead shot with one second left in the game. It appeared that he finally shed the baggage of his teams’ playoff failures, until…

Memorable playoff blunders

In the next round, the Clippers were about to advance past the Rockets and go the first Conference Finals in franchise history. They were up by 19 points in the final moments of the third quarter of Game 6, with a three to two series lead. Then all hell broke loose. This was a team collapse that is difficult to pin solely on Paul, but it’s alarming that his team had so little poise. A year earlier, he melted down in Game 5 of the semi-finals against the Thunder, costing L.A. a chance to go ahead in the series. In 2008, Jannero Pargo was confusingly the most aggressive Hornets player down the stretch of game 7 of the conference semi-finals against the Spurs, which they lost at home. Paul has been brilliant in his postseason career, and his shortcomings are mostly related to losing to superior teams. However, there are warts on his resume.

Thomas isn’t without fault in the playoffs either, with one of the most infamous gaffes in playoff history during Game 5 of the 1987 Eastern Conference Finals. He must get credit for consistently performing above his regular season baseline in the playoffs, but his overall playoff statistics still pale in comparison to Paul’s.

Summary

Isiah Thomas played in an environment where efficiency wasn’t as well understood as it is today. Could he have adjusted his game if advanced statistics were more prevalent during his time? It’s entirely plausible. What we do know is that Chris Paul has mastered the art of efficient basketball, like no point guard before him. His lack of playoff success, while overblown, does impact his legacy. This would be a fantastic matchup, and even though the statistical evidence favors Paul, I believe that Thomas would be able to match him in a high-stakes series based on his amazing playoff resume.

Biggest Mismatches

Pistons’ bench vs. Clippers’ bench and Pistons’ wings vs. Clippers’ wings: Oh yes, there’s an actual matchup outside of Paul vs. Thomas. Detroit is a deeper team, with every player on their bench having made multiple all-star teams, compared to the Clippers’ bench, where only three of the seven players ever made one (during their time in L.A.). Detroit also has outstanding wing depth, with Grant Hill, George Yardley, and Joe Dumars holding a big advantage over L.A.’s lineup.

Results

Isiah answers the big-game challenge. He leads a balanced Detroit team over L.A. in five relatively easy games.

All-Time Detroit Pistons
The Bad Boys advance to face their hated rivals from Chicago. Copyright © Lipofsky Basketballphoto.com

Detroit wins, four games to one.

Next Round

The Pistons face the All-Time Chicago Bulls.

All-Time Brooklyn Nets vs. All-Time Los Angeles Clippers

Our next match features two big-market teams that have accomplished very little in their time in the NBA. While the Nets had a brief run as a juggernaut in the ABA, they’ve mostly been a laughingstock since, save for a noteworthy stint behind a Hall-of-Fame point guard in the 2000s. The Clippers had a promising start as the Buffalo Braves, but then became the worst franchise in sports, before finally trading for another Hall-of-Fame point guard and becoming an annual contender over the past four seasons. These point guards are the featured match up in the battle between the All-Time Brooklyn Nets vs. All-Time Los Angeles Clippers, which will produce an unlikely second round participant in our tournament.

Brooklyn’s Advantages

Balance: The Nets have a well-constructed starting lineup. They have a low post scorer (Derrick Coleman) along with a bruising rebounder (Buck Williams). They have two athletic wings, both of whom can shoot from deep and slash to the rim (Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson). They also have a great floor general who will double as their premier perimeter defender (Jason Kidd). This unit will cause trouble for the Clippers’ power forward heavy lineup.

Wing Depth: The Nets are well-positioned to take advantage of one of Los Angeles’s biggest weaknesses, wing depth. Carter, Jefferson, and Kerry Kittles are all between 6’5” and 6’7”, and are all supremely athletic. Los Angeles may have to play at a slower pace to mitigate this issue and wear Brooklyn out with their assortment of big men.

Brooklyn’s Question Marks

Star Power: This is a relative term; the Nets have a potential Hall-of-Fame backcourt and all-stars littered throughout their roster. However, they only have two players with a PER above 20, and Carter has their highest WS/48 total at .148, a relatively low team-high compared to other franchises in this tournament. The Clippers appear to have more high-end talent, especially in their starting lineup, even if the pieces don’t fit together perfectly.

Los Angeles’s Advantages

Rebounding: The Clippers are starting three big men (Blake Griffin, Elton Brand, and Bob McAdoo), and have two former rebounding champions coming off their bench (Swen Nater and DeAndre Jordan). They should be able to control the glass in this series, and to wear out the Nets’ frontcourt in the process.

Los Angeles’s Question Marks

Spacing: How will the starting lineup function with Griffin nominally playing at small forward? Will the combination of Griffin, Brand, and McAdoo get in each other’s way, or mesh to form a dominant frontcourt?

X-Factor

Can the Nets exploit the Clippers big man lineup? The key for the Clippers will be Griffin, who has the athleticism to play credibly at small forward. Expect Doc Rivers to stagger Griffin, Brand, and McAdoo’s minutes after the opening of each game, and to play the athletic Corey Maggette heavy minutes at the three.

Results

The Clippers have been an NBA wasteland for the majority of their existence. However, they had a few respectable seasons back in their Buffalo Braves days, and they’ve been elite since Chris Paul has teamed up with Blake Griffin. They also lucked out by drawing the moribund Nets as their first-round tournament opponent. I can’t believe I’m about to type this. Do you believe in miracles?

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Clippers win, four games to three.

Next Round

Los Angeles takes on the All-Time Pistons.

All-Time Los Angeles Clippers Team

All-Time Los Angeles Clippers Team Infographic

Our next franchise was the epitome of failure for much of their existence. Led by the contemptible Donald Sterling, they managed to make only four playoff appearances in their first 33 seasons on the west coast, after moving over from Buffalo. Recently, three events have helped to turn around their fortunes and make them an annual contender. First, they used the first pick in the 2009 draft on Blake Griffin, a hyper-athletic forward who helped to electrify their fan base. Then, David Stern blocked a trade that would have sent the great Chris Paul to the rival Lakers, allowing the Clippers to ultimately land him in what became a laughably one-sided trade. Finally, Sterling became embroiled in a scandal that resulted in his banishment from the league, and forced him to finally sell the franchise. Now that their baggage has been removed, they’re poised to remain a contender for years to come, and an attractive free-agent destination for the first time ever. The All-Time Los Angeles Clippers team reflects this promise, with three contributors from the present-day team that make them more competitive than their franchise history warrants.

Several advanced statistics have Paul rated as the greatest point guard of all time. He’s third in league history in win shares per 48 minutes, behind Michael Jordan and David Robinson. He’s sixth all-time in PER, and first among point guards. While playoff success has eluded him, he’s one of the greatest players ever at his position, and his arrival immediately brought credibility to this franchise. He’s joined in the starting backcourt by Randy Smith, a throwback to the Buffalo Braves days who once set a league record for consecutive games played at 906. They’re backed up by Norm Nixon, a talented play maker who led the league in total assists in his first year with the club, and Corey Maggette, a high scoring wing whose knack for drawing fouls helped him compile a .578 true shooting percentage as a Clipper.

The starting frontcourt consists of three natural power forwards, each of whom brings a unique skill set to the table. Griffin has developed into one of the best players in the current NBA, with the rare ability to handle the basketball and initiate his team’s offense as a big man. Elton Brand helped to briefly resurrect the franchise in the 2000s by serving as the pillar of a young team that came within one game of reaching the Western Conference Finals in 2006. Although he didn’t have elite size (6’8”), he excelled at offensive rebounding and used his solid mid-range and post-up games to average over 20 PPG and 10 RPG in his Clippers career. Bob McAdoo is the most decorated player in franchise history. One of the greatest shooting big men of all time, he led the league in scoring three years in a row (1974 to 1976), peaking in the 1975 season, when he averaged 34.5 PPG and 14.1 RPG, and won the only MVP award in franchise history.

Off the bench, Bob Kauffman and Charles Smith can play at both forward positions. Kauffman was a three-time all-star who averaged 19.0 PPG, 10.7 RPG, and 4.5 APG from 1971 to 1973. Smith is best known for this (and more recently, this), but as a Clipper, he was a high scoring option who twice eclipsed the 20.0 PPG barrier. Danny Manning was a multitalented power forward who should fit well alongside the other frontcourt options. Swen Nater and DeAndre Jordan are true big men who will provide this team with two physical options against opposing frontcourts. Nater led the league in rebounding in 1980, while Jordan has led the league in rebounding for the past two seasons, and in field goal percentage for the past three.

Despite never winning 50 or more games in their first 42 seasons of operation, the All-Time Clippers team has a good amount of talent. The 22nd seeded team in our tournament, they have a first-round match up against the All-Time Brooklyn Nets.

Coach: Doc Rivers

All-Time Franchise Winning Percentage (through 2014-15): .389